Curse

Crom The Pale · Mar 24, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by The Daemon Warrior

Then why do you see people in high lvl area's asking around for an Obi Tank? (sure that doesnt involve Much Tactics Skills (Wary Stance?) but it is a form of tanking on warriors)

You can still use some tactics skills for farming though. I'd say tactics is not dead, just dying.

Tanking works and its easy to do, its not fast or efficient.

I really find there are two kinds of players in PvE.

1: Wants to get to the end/complete the mission/quest as fast a possible.
2: Wants to enjoy the battles along the way to the end of the story/mission/quest.

Those that choose the faster approach often use the most powerfull or efficient builds(Dslasher/Ursan).

Those that don't care how long it takes to get to the end, just as long as they get there, will use a sure thing(Tanking/Ursan).

Terraban · Mar 24, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by The Daemon Warrior

Then why do you see people in high lvl area's asking around for an Obi Tank? (sure that doesnt involve Much Tactics Skills (Wary Stance?) but it is a form of tanking on warriors)

You can still use some tactics skills for farming though. I'd say tactics is not dead, just dying.

Why do you see so many Warriors using Mending? It must be gud lawls.

Shaz · Mar 25, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

No it's not solved! You can't use dolyak signet because it slows you down to a crawl. The way I see it, the only way to use healing signet in a fight is to use disciplined stance (better than shield stance because +24 armor also protect you from damaging spells).

lol that was a joke. And if you need a blocking stance with heal sig then you're doing it wrong.

Savio · Mar 25, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Those that don't care how long it takes to get to the end, just as long as they get there, will use a sure thing(Tanking/Ursan).

It's not that people who use tanks enjoy taking a long time, it's that they don't know any other method of ensuring success. The tank-nuke-healer stereotype was established before GW existed, and GW allows people to do the same. Why would people switch to an unknown strategy when they have one already which seems to work well?

Of course, tanking doesn't ensure success, especially in the later parts of the campaigns, but without the widespread presence of an effective alternative (Ursan excepted) people don't have a basis with which to judge how effective tanking is.

Winterclaw · Mar 25, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Why would people switch to an unknown strategy when they have one already which seems to work well?

Perhaps for a few weeks Anet should nerf most of the tanking skills warriors use just so they are forced to try out something new. For example, since WY was nerfed I usually don't have any defensive skills on my warrior unless the situation really calls for that skill.

angmar_nite · Mar 25, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

SY? Winterclaw?

Seef II · Mar 25, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Remember the Tactics stance changes and the small uproar over those? Yeah, the PvE warrior lived through them somehow...

blue.rellik · Mar 25, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

No it's not solved! You can't use dolyak signet because it slows you down to a crawl. The way I see it, the only way to use healing signet in a fight is to use disciplined stance (better than shield stance because +24 armor also protect you from damaging spells).

How much damage do you think you could possibly receive in 2 seconds?

ogre_jd · Mar 25, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

How much damage do you think you could possibly receive in 2 seconds?

Never fought the various Scarabs, I take it?

They hit quite hard and very fast. And, given their movement speed, you're not likely to get far enough away to have time to activate the signet before they surround you...

blue.rellik · Mar 25, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Scarabs? You mean those things in the Jade Desert?

You are just a bad player if you think they hit hard and fast, they attack no faster than any other monster nor harder.

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

How much damage do you think you could possibly receive in 2 seconds?

Well, since you asked, I'll tell you. You will take twice the damage you would have taken otherwise. This means 4 seconds worth of damage, and you may not have 4 seconds left to live (HS heals you after you take the extra damage). Also, for a frontline fighter, a 2-second skill can be easily interrupted, in which case you will be screwed.

blue.rellik · Mar 25, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

I have monks on my team

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

I have monks on my team

That wasn't the point! This is about Healing Signet!

Shaz · Mar 25, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59

If you have all the aggro on you, you shouldn't use healing signet and your monks should be able to heal you. If you don't have all the aggro then you shouldn't die while using it.

Either way, you should not have Healing Signet or self heal on your bar in PvE in the first place, unless you have to split from your monk for whatever reason then bring it.

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by Shaz

If you have all the aggro on you, you shouldn't use healing signet and your monks should be able to heal you. If you don't have all the aggro then you shouldn't die while using it.

Either way, you shouldn't have Healing Signet or self heal on your bar in PvE in the first place, unless you have to split from your monk for whatever reason then bring it.

Yeah, I don't use Healing Signet. I wish I had Lion's Comfort. Too bad I don't have NF. Though the monk skill patient spirit really isn't bad, only 1/4 second casting time, it doesn't take time away from your attacks at all and still heal a decent amount.

blue.rellik · Mar 25, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

That wasn't the point! This is about Healing Signet!

Inconsequential because Healing Signet is more than adequate in the situations you would need a self-heal

masta_yoda · Mar 25, 2008, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Yeah, I don't use Healing Signet. I wish I had Lion's Comfort. Too bad I don't have NF. Though the monk skill patient spirit really isn't bad, only 1/4 second casting time, it doesn't take time away from your attacks at all and still heal a decent amount.

ull get drained in a matter of seconds

Stormlord Alex · Mar 25, 2008, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Though the monk skill patient spirit really isn't bad, only 1/4 second casting time, it doesn't take time away from your attacks at all and still heal a decent amount.

*blinks*
... ok

Healsig is pretty poor, but compared to everything else outside of NF it's really the best option, and in the situations you might want a self-heal (essentially, RA and AB) it isn't that bad.
For every other scenario, you've got monks.

Blastem7 · Mar 25, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Tactics isn't entirely dead. It is used widely by people farming, but that is about the only use for it.

I'm pretty sure I can own any melee in a few seconds with 16 tactics and gladiator's defense-ripostes.

~ Dan ~ · Mar 25, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Because the enemy will keep attacking you when you use HS!

Then i'll step back some more. They'll never catch me 'cause "charge!" is awesome.